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Poster: Eastside Kidd Date: Feb 16, 2009 9:18pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: "list of titles" copyright listings

OK, here's something that really bugs me. I want to upload Hal Roach's 1940 camp classic One Million B.C., only it's in a list of 1,211 titles registered to Portcomm Communications Corporation, Ltd. and Cinematografische-Kommerz-Anstalt. As far as I know, these people were never connected to the film's creators and have no intention of restoring this movie or any of the others in that list and marketing it on DVD, so why in the name of D.W. Griffith are they taking the time to register all these movies if no one is going to benefit financially or entertainment-wise? All I can say is, stop hoarding, a##holes, because you can't take it with you!

This post was modified by Eastside Kidd on 2009-02-17 05:18:11

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Poster: Ganbachi Date: Feb 17, 2009 2:09am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'list of titles' copyright listings

I know. This really pisses me off as well. Every time I look up something, it's on a 'list of titles'. These people never have any intention of releasing most of the titles but they've got them in some bundle-deal so we have to live without them and just buy whatever crap these studios do bother to churn out.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffVideo-Cellar Date: Feb 17, 2009 4:22pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'list of titles' copyright listings

Lists of titles are an unreliable source. a list of titles are just as likely a transfer of physical product/property (ie prints) as they are for copyright. A lot of companies mix up their physical ownership of a print with theoretical ownership of copyright.

Lists of titles are often associated with copyright mortgages. Studios will often add PD (their own and others') product to the list so that the don't risk their big guns on film financing.

When large PD print distributers seel their physical product they usually pretend that there are some sort of intellectual property rights in the package. This neccessitates filing a copyright transfer. I'm sure everyone has wondered when they saw defininte PD films on the transfer list when PD distributor John Carr sold his 3500 prints to the AIM Group a few years ago.

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Poster: Eastside Kidd Date: Feb 17, 2009 8:38pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'list of titles' copyright listings

OK, so it's safe to say that because there isn't an individual copyright entry for "One Million B.C."(1940), I can upload it?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffVideo-Cellar Date: Feb 18, 2009 4:21am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'list of titles' copyright listings

I am really not sure with this one. All of the lists that it appears on are lists related to Hallmark Entertainemnt who are the current US holders of copyright in the Hal Roach Studios catlogue. It is on a list of Hal Roach Studio's "Colorization Inc" movies mostly other studio's PD stuff but they also did their own films (Laurel and Hardy, Our Gang, etc). It's also on two distribution deals one with Odyssey Distribution and another with RHI Entertainment which is a Hallmark parent company (Robert Halmi Inc).

I would figure that it is most probably in copyright. I think like a video distributor and this picture has Victor Mature, Carole Landis, Lon Chaney Jr, lizards playing dinosaurs, a father-son directing team, money from D W Griffith and there's always that percentage of people who'll think their buying that movie with Raquel Welch. If it was public domain at least one, if not all, DVD labels would have it on name recognition value alone.

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Poster: Eastside Kidd Date: Feb 18, 2009 8:25pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'list of titles' copyright listings

OK, then I'd better not risk trouble for myself and the IA.
I have plenty of rare and obscure PD titles that I can upload instead.

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Poster: k-otic Date: Feb 17, 2009 4:26am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'list of titles' copyright listings

If those list are a valid proof of copyright IA must delete 99% of all the movies in the feature films section ....

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Poster: Ganbachi Date: Feb 17, 2009 11:32am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: 'list of titles' copyright listings

I tend to check if PD dvd producers like Mill Creek, Alpha Video etc. have them, cross-check if PD distributors like Desert Island Films, Fesfilms etc, list them and then see if there is an individual valid copyright entry, (ignoring 'lists of titles') before posting something I am unsure of. I know this is not infallible but it's as much research as I can realistically do.